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CaverStretch



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 6:30 pm    Post subject: Link from the NSS Discussion Forum - Cavechat.org Reply with quote

A quote by Jean Baudrillard -

“If we consider the superiority of the human species, the size of its brain, its powers of thinking, language and organization, we can say this: were there the slightest possibility that another rival or superior species might appear, on earth or elsewhere, man would use every means at his disposal to destroy it.”

Check out what is being sold on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Huge-Stalactite-Stalagmite-Crystal-Collection-Speleo_W0QQitemZ6595910823QQcategoryZ3225QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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caveguy



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hitting the URL you posted results in:

"This listing (#6595910823) has been removed or is no longer available. Please make sure you entered the right item number. "

What was it?
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caverdale



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

caveguy wrote:
Hitting the URL you posted results in:

"This listing (#6595910823) has been removed or is no longer available. Please make sure you entered the right item number. "

What was it?


An incredible display of stalagmites and stalactites, some as much as 6 feet long and mounted on wooden bases. I think they said over 300 specimens. After complaints, eBay removed the listing. A posting on the NSS forum said the seller (who was posting for another party) told the owner the word was that possession of such material was illegal. The owner said he would have to destroy everything. The owner wanted $385,000 for the lot!!! You shoulda seen the pictures.

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jonjasper



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to note.

Having such "prizes" is not necessarily illegal. Many states have cave laws prohibiting mining and sales of cave formations. Since Ebay can't verify the state of the buyers it doesn’t allow such sales. If this seller (or buyer) is in one of these states, he could be fined and/or sentenced to jail. If caught, the collection would be held for evidence then given back to the owners or properly disposed of (usually incinerated).

The laws are set to eliminate the market to protect caves. However, these laws often aren't enforced due to items not being recognized as obvious cave formations.

About 7 years ago, Mammoth Cave in Kentucky had a breaking case. Cave vandals that were repetitively breaking into the Crystal Cave entrance were caught and successfully prosecuted. The offenders were sentenced to 2 and 3 years in a federal prison. As the trial occurred, police raided the local rock shops. Most all of them were cited. Thus the first time that Kentucky Cave Resource Protection law actually was successfully executed.

Utah is one of the few states that don’t have any cave laws! Most states (especially eastern states where caves are more numerous) have laws protecting cave resources and protecting the land owner liability.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's too bad that they have to destroy the cave formations that are confiscated. If it was known where they came from, they could be epoxy glued back to where they belong and restored (as best as they could be that is)
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caverdale



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

clitchford wrote:
It's too bad that they have to destroy the cave formations that are confiscated. If it was known where they came from, they could be epoxy glued back to where they belong and restored (as best as they could be that is)


According to the NSS forum the speleothems almost certainly came from China. They were imported several years ago, maybe as much as a few decades. They were held in storage and the storage company wanted to sell them to recover cost of storage. Putting them back is probably not feasible. Again, you should have seen the photos. Very distressing and very a spectactular display. I've never seen or heard of anything like it.
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