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CaverStretch



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 1:50 am    Post subject: Utah Grottos Meeting Reply with quote

It's time again for the Utah Grottos meeting. Are there any topics that people would like to have brought up at this meeting?

Some of the topics that I would like to bring up are:

1. Candlelight Management Plan
2. Utah Caver and the future of the Utah Caver
3. Utah Grottos Party this summer
4. 2006 RMR

If you have some other issues you would like to bring up, make sure you let your elected representitive of your grotto (Your Chairman) know so they can bring them to the Utah Grottos Meeting.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Batty Talked to Richard D. briefly and the meeting can be set for the last week in Feb. in keeping with the 4 month space in between meetings.

Another topic I would like to cover is the possible repair and/or replacement of the Spanish Moss gate. It's over 30 years old and has experienced repeated break-ins. Me thinks a better gate can be designed/built.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When is the next meeting?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This upcoming meeting is scheduled near the end of Feb. Most likely the last thursday of that month iin keeping with an every 4 month rotation with each grotto "hosting" (respectively).
It is Important that grotto officers bring up the meeting to gather topics for discussion.
Keep in mind this is an officers only meet. Results and information should be disseminated at the next grotto meeting.
Location is at Peter Ruplinger's office off of 90th south. Time 7-7:30 depending how late late arrivals show.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:27 am    Post subject: Candlelight Gate problems Reply with quote

We have a growing problem with the bipod breaking from its chain and plummeting to the bottom of the 210 ft mine shaft. I am thinking that maybe some retrofitting could be performed to improve the safety use of the bipod and possible improve the ease opening and closing the gate.

Also, I would like to look into using regional funding to cover the expenses ($100 to $300 depending on what is decided).


If other gates are needing repair, maybe a lump costs would be cheaper and reduce the overall red tape.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another question came up after the Timp grotto meeting: "How was the lint in Lehman's Cave?"
On our trip there I did notice lint clinging to some of the stals and other formations, thus an obvious need for another Lint Camp there.
More fodder for discussion.
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caverdale



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deafnss wrote:
Another question came up after the Timp grotto meeting: "How was the lint in Lehman's Cave?"
On our trip there I did notice lint clinging to some of the stals and other formations, thus an obvious need for another Lint Camp there.
More fodder for discussion.


As I understand the problem, the delay in lint cleaning is because a study of biota in the cave and what effect the cleaning will have on the biota has not been completed. After leading the first two lint camps there I too am upset with the lint that has accumulated and the seeming lack of concern by the Park. We are not going to change that. <nitpic> By the way, by presidential proclamation, the name is Lehman Caves, not Lehmans Cave. Also, use of the possessive apostrophe is incorrect. Mister Lehman does not possess the cave. <nitpick/>
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 11:21 pm    Post subject: spanish moss gate Reply with quote

So, what do you have in mind in repairing Spanish Moss gate? I think the best way to get things going would be to write up your ideas and have them be presented at the tri-grotto meeting. Maybe metion what you think will be needed (materials, costs, hours, etc) and we can go from there.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 11:23 pm    Post subject: Lehman Cave Lint Reply with quote

There is a possibility that I might get a hob at great basin (I am not sure how great that possibility is, but I should find out in the next month or so).
If I do end up working there, I will track down the cave specialist and see what types of projects we could do for them
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 11:26 pm    Post subject: candlelight gate Reply with quote

I think Jon has a great idea. I am sure that a few gates are in need of repair. It would probaby be more efficient and less costly if we could try to do a few of them at once.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 7:46 pm    Post subject: candlelight Reply with quote

as part of the candlelight management plan, it would be great to discuss the possibility of each grotto having it's own key ...
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:20 pm    Post subject: June Meeting Reply with quote

It is time again to ask that question again, "What topics and issues should be discussed at the next Utah Grottos Meeting?"

I am looking at the last lines of discussion just before the last one to see how we have progressed.

I will give an update on the management of SITLA caves, Bloomington Cave, and Lehman Cave.

The group should do a bit of planning for the Utah gathering out in Cane Creek area (Big and Little Brush Creek Cave.)

We should plan on whether to proceed with the Utah Caver Annual Reports, the Utah Caver Newsletters, or the easily done do-nothing approach.

I also personally believe that the Regional location has been chosen to be in Wyoming and that Utah cavers should let it run its course as planned. However, am sure many folks who don't, can't, or won't organize it will allow an hour long pointless discussion to occur on it.

So anyway there are my pre-thoughts for the June 22 Utah Grottos Meeting.
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dmccully



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:48 am    Post subject: Tri-Grotto Meeting (June 2006) Reply with quote

From the Salt Lake Grotto meeting, other issues for discussion are:

1. Candlelight Management Plan
2. Management of the Tri-Grotto Meeting.

jonjasper wrote:
I also personally believe that the Regional location has been chosen to be in Wyoming and that Utah cavers should let it run its course as planned. However, am sure many folks who don't, can't, or won't organize it will allow an hour long pointless discussion to occur on it.

<rant on>
Let us suppose that we don't discuss the Rocky Mountain Regional at all. There are people who are already in place who will organize this event in Wyoming? Given that the chairman of the Rocky Mountain Region will likely attend the Tri-Grotto meeting and that no commitment of any kind has been received from either a Wyoming grotto or a Wyoming caver it is hard to see why discussing it would be pointless. One of the reasons why there are people who are interested in the subject but who don't, can't, or won't commit to a significant obligation is not because of an intellectual or organizational deficiency on their part but rather because they are not paid to cave.
<rant off>

The following post on the Colorado Caves Forum leads me to believe that much is not known about where the regional is to be held and who is to organize it:
http://coloradocaves.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=1615#1615
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caverdale



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A topic we may want to discuss at the Tri-Grotto meeting is related to the upcoming NSS Convention in Bellingham Washington. Lots of cavers may be passing through Utah from eastern states. When this has happened before Utah cavers have volunteered to lead pre- and post-convention trips for them. Do we want to do it this time?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think so... yes.
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