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Deafnss



Joined: 13 Dec 2005
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Location: Provo/Orem Utah

PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 9:53 pm    Post subject: Redundant Training Reply with quote

A couple of days ago I had a good discussion off this forum about the necessity of being "re-trained" in how to do whatever... particularly SRT (Single Rope Techs).
Usually it's a good idea (IMO) that grottos offer a rigging/haul-system "class" as part of a presentation at least once or twice a year. Ideally the class should be held just prior to the vertical caving season (like when the snows melt up in Tony Grove or else-where).
For the newbies this is a good idea. They may learn the how-to's on ascending and rappelling but do they know how to properly rig? What if they or someone on their trip gets stuck on rope... do they know how to create a simple haul system to provide an assist so that SAR teams don't have to be called out?
What about (us) old timers? How much do WE remember?
Another part of the discussion was the necessity of understanding various types of rigging configurations, i.e. wrap 3/pull 2 with webbing, or a tensionless wrap around a tree. Rebelaying with either a butterfly or a in-line figure 8/9... and so forth. There's no one right way to do a particular rig... but it's right so long as it does it job and holds the cavers that put their weight on it.

Just for continual and varied discussion... what are your thoughts/ideas/opinions about teaching and re-teaching and relearning all of this stuff. Isn't it easy to become complacent after a few years?
What about cutting corners and making short-cuts and so-on?

What do you all think?

~Ralph Very Happy
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jonjasper



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 1:37 am    Post subject: The walking dead Reply with quote

I will state this for the record. The person in this state that trains the most is Peter Hartley. The person who is the most willing to learn new rope techniques is Peter Hartley. The person that has been the deepest underground, been in the worst of situations, and is still kicking everyone's pants is Peter Hartley.

Is it when you think you know it all that you are dead, even when you still have a heartbeat.
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Deafnss



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Batty Yes, but the question is "why is the esteemed Mr. Hartley is/does all those things?"
Why does he/we train/practice constantly? Why is it so important? Once one has "mastered" the Frog, this or that rigging tech, haul system, and/or so forth.... do we continue to practice/learn?
This is the gist of the initial question/thread. Each of us has our reasons to the question "why?"
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